In the second episode of our podcast AT FILMS Patrick Holzapfel talks to Birgit Kohler about her program featuring in our joint retrospective with the Austrian Film Museum "Film as a Subversive Art 2021. A Tribute to Amos Vogel“. The co-director of Arsenal – Institute for Film and Video Art in Berlin shares her thoughts on disaster films, uneasiness and meeting Amos Vogel in person.